This is ALL THINGS CONSIDERED from NPR News. I’m Melissa Block.
Unidentified Man #1: Hey, how are you? Happy new year.
BLOCK: Today, just outside Washington, DC, 27 wiry young men from 14 countries posed for official photographs in biking shorts and their new blue and white team jerseys with a yellow band on the sleeve. This was the unveiling of the 2005 Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team, with Discovery taking over the sponsorship from the United States Postal Service.
Unidentified Man #2: Please welcome six-time Tour de France champion Lance Armstrong.
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BLOCK: Lance Armstrong got the first of his record-breaking six Tour de France wins in 1999, just three years after he was diagnosed with testicular cancer, which had spread to his lungs and brain. His remarkable comeback after surgery and chemotherapy made many suspicious. He’s been accused of doping, a charge he’s denied. In person, Lance Armstrong is smaller than you might think, with intense focus. He wears one of his now ubiquitous Live Strong yellow wristbands. The proceeds from their sale go to his cancer foundation. We sat down to talk with Armstrong just before the media events this morning.
I want to ask you the big question that I think everybody’s wondering about, which is whether you’re going to race in the Tour de France this year.
Mr. LANCE ARMSTRONG (Six-time Tour de France Champion): That’s a good question. I asked myself that a lot, too, and I still am undecided. First and foremost, I’m going to focus on the spring classics, and then probably, as soon as they’re done, I’ll decide on whether or not we race in July or wait a year.
BLOCK: You’ve got a new team sponsor, though, and I would imagine there’d be a lot of pressure. They’re going to want to see you race in the race that most people pay attention to.
Mr. ARMSTRONG: Well, there’s no doubt that the Tour is the biggest race in the world and the one that Americans know almost exclusively. I mean, if you ask them about Tour Flanders, they wouldn’t know what you’re talking about. But, you know, I think the important thing to know is that obviously I’ll do whatever they wish. If they want a Tour in 2005, then that’s what they’ll get, and I’ll do it with all the professionalism and motivation that I always do.
BLOCK: At this point in your career–you’re 33 now?
Mr. ARMSTRONG: Yes.
BLOCK: Do you feel pressure inside yourself to diversify? I mean, you’ve done this amazing thing and won the Tour six times. Do you think, `You know, what I really want to do now is go for the one- hour record’?
Mr. ARMSTRONG: Right.
BLOCK: `I want to show that I’m the best overall in this sport’?
Mr. ARMSTRONG: Yeah. Those events or those goals like the hour record are interesting and fascinating to me. The hour record is something I’ve never done in terms of racing on the track, and it’s something that hasn’t really been done in cycling in probably 20 years. There’s been a few attempts but not a lot of attempts in the last 20 years, and it’d be cool to bring that back. But I think the thing that I have to keep in mind is I’ll never be able to do what the pillars of the sport or the legends of the sport did 20, 30 years ago where they won the classics, they won the tours and then at the end of the year they set the hour record. That’s not the way cycling is today. Cycling has drastically changed, and riders are much more specialized, so you don’t have riders racing from February till October, at least at a high level. And especially the riders who want to win the biggest race of them all, they just simply can’t keep going throughout the year. So, you know, I’ll never be able to do what Eddie Merckx did.
BLOCK: Eddie Merckx is the Belgian racer who did it all, basically.
Mr. ARMSTRONG: Right. Eddie Merckx is–I think everybody in the sport would agree he’s the best of all time. He has the most victories. He won the most tours. He did it all.
BLOCK: I want to ask you about doping. I know you’ve said a lot of times that you’re the most frequently tested athlete; you’ve never tested positive. But there are constantly questions and allegations being raised about you and your performance. What’s it like to try to perform under that cloud? How do you handle that?
Mr. ARMSTRONG: I’ve lived with speculation and the stories for six years, and, I mean, I think a lot of that began in ’99 when I came back from a life-threatening illness. ’99 was a very interesting year for a lot of reasons. Number one, I won my first Tour. And I think, more importantly, it was the year that followed 1998, which was arguably the biggest doping scandal in the history of all sport.
BLOCK: In the Tour de France specifically.
Mr. ARMSTRONG: In the Tour de France. And so, you know, cycling has been in the crosshairs for the last six years. And the person who then comes along, wins the hardest race of the year, doesn’t just do it once barely but does it six times, which some could perceive as comfortably, I think that’s normal and natural that he gets asked those questions. Now there’s not a ranking on who gets tested the most. I mean, I don’t know if I get tested more than Michael Phelps or if I get tested more than Barry Bonds. I don’t know. But I know that I get tested a lot, and I know that I declare where I am 365 days a year if they want to come test me. I know that I’ve never tested positive, which I know is not a great excuse because then the talk begins of, `But he has something undetectable.’ It’s very hard to disprove that. I mean, I can’t– I’m not going to argue that.
But–and the final thing I’ll say is I think if you stacked up all the sports–basketball, baseball, football, cycling, swimming and track and field, tennis–there’s no sport that’s done more to fight doping than cycling. I’m proud of our sport for that. And I fear that more positives paint our sport in a bad light, but I’m certainly not worried about them catching this team because it’s simply not going to happen.
BLOCK: Some in the cycling press have faulted you for maybe being defensive about doping as opposed to using your platform…
Mr. ARMSTRONG: Right.
BLOCK: …this huge platform that you have around the world, to really speak out about necklaces doping, specifically in cycling…
Mr. ARMSTRONG: Right.
BLOCK: …and to acknowledge that it’s a problem and say that more should be done.
Mr. ARMSTRONG: Right. Well, I would say that, but, quite frankly, I don’t think more can be done. What more could be done to fight doping in cycling? Have people live with the riders? From where we are today, that’s the next step, and that’s obviously never going to happen in any sport or any facet of life. So, you know, to go out and criticize our sport–I’m not going to do it.
BLOCK: You’re in a sport that keeps you in Europe for a good part of the year. You’ve got three young kids back home in Texas. Is there part of your mind that says, `You know, retirement is something I can imagine’?
Mr. ARMSTRONG: Yeah.
BLOCK: `I can think about a time when I’m going to be home…’
Mr. ARMSTRONG: Sure.
BLOCK: `…and not racing around Europe.’
Mr. ARMSTRONG: I can, and I do think about that. My son now is five and a half, and we have discussions about cycling and about what that means for me to have to go away. And, quite frankly, he tells me. He’s like, `I wish you would stop because if you continue racing, that means you have to leave for a long time.’ And so it’s odd to have a heart-to-heart with a five-year-old, but they can do that. And that affects me. But, you know, I’m not here for 10 more years, and I think the upside is that when I am done and they’re having all their functions that they have all year long, I will be at home a lot more than your normal 9-to-5 dad.
BLOCK: You’re wearing a Live Strong bracelet. A lot of people are wearing them. How many have been sold so far?
Mr. ARMSTRONG: I hear numbers from 28 to 30 million. Either way, it’s a lot.
BLOCK: Yeah. Have you seen specific ways that these are paying off in some way, how key rings they’re being put to use, the money from them?
Mr. ARMSTRONG: Well, of course, along the way they’ve become some sort of a statement or a fashion statement or a trend. But for me, the original idea and the original thought was that they would just be a symbol of hope and courage for cancer survivors and their families around the world, this message of hope and courage and inspiration and fighting. And even when perhaps somebody doesn’t make it–I mean, I get e-mails all the time where, you know, they want to be buried in the thing, and it’s stories like that that you don’t want to hear, you don’t expect to hear, but when you hear it, it moves you. And obviously the fad will fade. In the future, you know, perhaps we sell a few, but they’ll go to the most meaningful people.
BLOCK: I read that in your autobiography, you said about cycling, `I didn’t do it for pleasure; I did it for pain.’
Mr. ARMSTRONG: (Laughs)
BLOCK: I don’t know if you still think–feel that way.
Mr. ARMSTRONG: Yeah, I still like to suffer.
BLOCK: You do?
Mr. ARMSTRONG: Yeah.
BLOCK: I guess I was wondering whether there’s any point when you’re riding tiffany and co when you might remember what it was like to be a kid in Plano, Texas, getting on a bike when it was just for pleasure…
Mr. ARMSTRONG: Right.
BLOCK: …when it was just a fun thing to do.
Mr. ARMSTRONG: Well, I still go out and love to–you know, when you’re suffering, you look straight ahead. And when you’re having fun and it’s pleasure, you’re looking left and right and looking around. And I get to do both of those. But if it was just about going out and looking around and seeing the countryside, I wouldn’t do it. But for me, that ability to go out and suffer and feel like I’m working for a living and trying to create something, create a victory or create a good team or create history, that’s the most rewarding.
BLOCK: Lance Armstrong, thanks very much.
Mr. ARMSTRONG: Yeah, thank you.
BLOCK: Lance Armstrong says he’ll decide in late April whether he’ll race in the Tour de France this year. He says he’s committed, with his Discovery sponsors, to racing in at least one more Tour and maybe more.
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